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The Brave new world of “biased neutrality” as manifested in the Islamic veil discussion
by Dyab Abou Jahjah Wednesday December 17, 2003 at 11:19 AM

The discussion about the Islamic hidjab (veil) in Europe and especially in France is raging now in an unprecedented pace.

It culminated when French president Jacques Chirac on a visit to Tunisia characterized the wearing of the Islamic veil as “ an aggression that we can not accept”. Undoubtedly strengthened by his presence in a Muslim Arab country that forbids the veil in public buildings, Chirac was congratulating the Tunisian government on what he considered great advancement towards development downplaying its abhorrent human rights record. It seems that secularism and stability in the eyes of the French president are considered more superior to Democracy and human rights and fundamental freedoms.

The debate on the Islamic veil is not merely one on religious symbols in a secular society, its far more fundamental than that. It is a debate on the kind of society France and Europe are choosing to be. Is that society going to define secularism “ laicite” as it is constitutionally defined “ the neutrality of the state towards all religious and other convictions’ in order to build a state for all. Or is “ laicite” going to be defined as the hegemony of an atheist anti-religious discourse and its control over the state that will uphold it (atheism) as neutral and normative.

Are we going to build a diversified society guaranteeing the fundamental rights of freedom of speech, freedom of religious practice, freedom of religious manifestation and other freedoms, or are we going to be only free in copying the atheist way of life, or to accept that on the public sphere the atheist way of life has a superior rank and is the default neutral way.

The current French constitution, as well as those of Belgium and the Netherlands and most European constitutions, defines “laicite” as being a principal of neutrality towards religions and world visions. That neutrality should have as objective to guarantee the equality and freedom of all religions and world visions and not to favor one (atheism) above the rest.

Atheism is far from being the norm, and it is as metaphysical as faith, it is also a kind of religion.

We argue that the current debate on the veil can not be framed in the current constitutional principals or in those of the European convention on human rights. The political debate is tending towards a new definition of secularism “laicite” that will necessitate a constitutional fundamental change. It is no more to be defined as neutrality but as taking position; an anti-religious position.

The Case for neutrality

The odd thing about the political dominating discourse on this matter is that the veil is being represented as the threat to religious neutrality. The veil should be forbidden in official buildings because it is violating the principal of neutrality. But that neutrality should normally be exercised by the official institutions and upheld within the official buildings in order to create the space for all religions and visions to express themselves freely, and not by oppressing them. So it is the institution and the building that should be neutral in order to allow the citizen to be himself or herself within its confines, and not the citizen who has to be neutralized in his believes and freedom of expression. A student wearing the veil in a public school does not compromise the neutrality of that school but is just merely exercising her fundamental rights and enjoying that neutrality.

Now when we shift the discussion to a teacher for instance the situation is more complicated. The argument is that a teacher wearing the veil in a public institution is compromising neutrality because of the example position that the teacher has towards students. Students can be influenced by the fact that the teacher wears the veil and decide to do so themselves. But this argument can be reversed as students can also be influenced by the fact that a teacher does not wear the veil and decide not to do so. As a matter of fact it is more likely that a Muslim student will be asking questions on the fact that her teacher takes off the veil when she enters class and will be getting the impression that the veil is negative and incompatible with the serenity of the institution while not wearing it is compatible. So are we trying to set not wearing the veil as the acceptable official norm? With what argumentation can we justify that? Certainly not with that of neutrality; Saying that not wearing the veil is the norm is the same as saying that wearing the veil is mandatory, both attitudes are not neutral and reflect a fundamentalist approach, one religious and the other anti-religious.

The argument that a veil is a religious symbol is also inaccurate. The veil does not symbolize being a Muslim; the veil is an Islamic practice. A woman wearing the veil is not manifesting her religion, she is practicing it. Depriving women from wearing the veil is forcing them to stop practicing their religion and is a direct attack on the freedom of religion. That freedom of religion is protected by European conventions and can be restricted only in three cases clearly enumerated in the European Human rights convention. Restriction is only defendable in order to preserve the public order, health, and the rights of thirds. And none of these criteria apply to the formerly described cases.

So we believe it is fair to argue, that for the sake of neutrality, the veil should be allowed in official buildings and not restricted, and no discriminatory criteria should be promoted setting subjective and biased norms as being universal.

The Veil and the gender Issue

Another important underlying discussion in this debate is that of gender equality. Even though the debate in France was focusing on the concept of secularism “ laicite” and on defending what people conceive as the values of the republic, the veil is perceived by many western people and also many Muslims as an instrument of oppressing the woman and of emphasizing her inferiority towards the man. Even though abuse does occur and some women are obliged to wear a veil by their man, family or environment. Most women do wear the veil out of religious conviction and by there free choice. On top of that the veil has no reference to female inferiority what so ever. Actually the concept of Hidjab (veil) in Islam is common to men and women. It is related to (Hadjb) Veiling (hiding) the parts of the body that are considered desirable in order to avoid temptation that can lead to adultery. This is the core of the hidjab concept and this is common to both genders. Islam, however, considers that these desirable parts of the body are not the same for a man and a woman. The hair of a woman is considered to make part of these attractive features while the hair of the man is not considered as desirable. One can disagree with that characterization but it is anyway clear that the concept of Hidjab/Veil has nothing to do with underlining female inferiority. Some die hard feminists can argue that this is essentially discriminating since it does not equate between men and women by restricting the woman more than the man, but this argument can also be made to most legislations in western countries that do not consider a man who is walking in the street with a naked chest as breaking a law, while a woman walking with naked chest is very likely to be arrested or fined for that. So in this Islam does not do more than what most European and American legislators do, namely differentiating in the sexual connotation of male and female body parts. But the principal is not discriminatory in essence.

Sociologically speaking, certain cultural habits derived the Hidjab from its Islamic function and transformed it into a sort of status symbol and ethical criteria. This can be countered by Islamic awareness and knowledge and campaigning for the freedom of choice to wear a veil or not without being socially condemned, and not by restricting religious freedom or by equating the abuse with the normal practice. Abuse should always be fought, but should never be generalized and essentialised.

Conclusion

As we already said, this whole debate is about a choice of society, a political choice and unfortunately we have the impression that this choice is already made and that it is a choice intending on eradicating diversity rather than institutionalizing it.

It is a choice that is based on a political positioning that is essentially anti-islamic and assimilationist. This is not strange to the French approach of total assimilation when it comes to linguistic and cultural features. Only this time it is being harmful to the very same values of the republic that it claims defending: The value of freedom of opinion, of religion and neutrality. This political position is also reinforced by the international context and the definition of Islam and its civilization as being the main threat to western civilization. It is also a rejection of a multicultural society based upon diversity as the rule and homogeneity as the exception. This is a call for a society that strives towards homogeneity, and oppresses what it conceives as deviation from the one and only enlightened way to human fulfillment and emancipation. This is a project of society that imposes emancipation from outside and deprives the individual from self-emancipation and self-definition of that emancipation which are the conditions sine qua no of any emancipation by definition. Such a society will be the opposite of enlightened and will definitely lead to a brave new world scenario. A scenario that all democrats should try to prevent today before it becomes a fact tomorrow.

atheism
by Christian Dick Wednesday December 17, 2003 at 08:16 PM

"god is a concept by which we measure our pain"

John Lennon



"imagine there's no heaven. It isn't hard to do"

John Lennon



To define atheism as 'religion' is hilarious. Atheism is the opposite of religion. It is not necessarily anti-religious, it is the absence of religion. Not to believe in god can in no way be explained as a way of believing. As an atheist, I believe in nothing. If need be I'll accept facts, but facts can be checked. I refuse to accept anything I can not check myself or that can be checked by others.

Rational thought and science have shown that there is no reason to believe that some sort of 'living' entity, existing before the universe did, is at the origin of the universe. No such entity 'created' the universe or life in general nor is it responsable for what living humans do or don't.
The fact that some people believe that a god exists, says more about these people than about the concept of god. Their ideas are neither rational nor based on science.Some would call it pathological and they have some very fine arguments to do so.
It is no coincidence that countries with a high literacy-performance and a high standard of living see religious practices crumbling and the importance of religious institutions disappear or deminish. It is no coincidence that countries with a high level of illiteracy and a low standard of living have a higher prevalence of religion.
As far as the hijab is concerned, Europe and specifically France have struggled a long and fierce battle for hundreds of years to get rid of religious institutions and clerics who were mainly concerned with defending their own intrests. They were a class of their own, joining those who exploited the masses.
This struggle culminated during the French Revolution - a prime example of emancipation of the working class - and the decision to enhance a strick division between the state and churches.
The French decision is a correct one: to stress this division, to ban religion and all signs thereof from public schools. It is the task of the state to do so. And yes, this diminishes the right of the individual to put on his head whatever he wants. But I support the decision: If I were to go to school with a banana on my head, I would be send home as well.
To talk about discrimination in this context is false: all symbols of all religions will be banned. Not merely the hijab.

The decision is righteous and in line with the French constitution. I would be pleased if a similar decision would be taken in Belgium. Not only banning religious symbols from schools but also from all public buildings and functions. A strict divide between the state and religion. In concreto this would mean an end to paying catholic churches, schools and priests. And obliging the royal family to keep their religion to themselves.

religion and emancipation are opposites

If we love ourselves, we 'll fight our internal enemy
by Edith Thursday December 18, 2003 at 11:59 AM

The idea that atheism cannot be a religion, indicates superficial thinking. If you don't want to use the notion 'religion' to indicate atheism, it still remains an ideology, a way of thinking, which is what religions are too. The diference is that in religieus thinking god is the central notion and for atheism it's the absence of it. People need Gods and most of the time a lot of them. It's not something they are aware of and they don't call their gods: 'god', they have other names for them.
Atheism is anti-religious and it can never be the absence of religion, only the rejection of the notion of god. The gods of atheist people simply have other names. In the situation of atheist people the religion moved to the subconscious, but it nevertheless remains there. Denying God is definitely a way of believing - why don't you add that gravity does not exist. This is rediculous. This man denies everything that is basically a law of nature, more specifically the nature of mankind.

As it is impossible for a human being in relationship to his environment not to communicate (even when he/she says nothing, that has a meaning, in the same way it is impossible for a human being not to believe. Believing that God does not exist is also a believe and nothing more than that. The existence of God does not depend on the believe of the atheïst. One cannot destroy the notion of god by refusing to believe it. It is as claiming part of yourself does not exist. If every men and woman on earth stop believing in God, God won't stop to exist. People only will have lost God. An atheïst can refuse to use the notion of god in his or her life and nothing more. I have lived myself over 30 years without thinking about god, without attending church, so I know what atheist live is like. There are two kinds of atheist people. One group rejects the notion of god but embraces justice and mutual respect, which is basically the same as genuinily believing in god. The difference is in the way it's expressed in words. The other group rejects god becaust it does not like justice and mutual respect which is basically what the metaphor 'devil' stands for. What the gentleman above really is saying is that he refuses to accept the existence of the subconscious.

Our problem is that we are looking desperately for an exteral ennemy, while our real enemy lives inside us. The reaction of the gentleman above demonstrates once more that the enemy is inside. Most of us lack vision, lack rationality, think superficial and that is what is threathening our culture, our 'way of life' as some people like to call it.

Dyab is extremely intelligent. Therefore it is not so unusual that a lot of people cannot grasp what he tries to explains although he really does efforts to use a comprehensible language. From the moment I set eyes on him after the racist Coveliers requested for taking away his Belgian nationality and started a demonising campaign supported by the media I have learned enormously and at a vast pace. Listening to other people and genuinely think about what they say, that is what developing ones culture is about. It is about deepening ones understanding of how the human mind works which is what religion is based on and founded. Have you ever heard about the comparison of the subconscious with an onion. Most people do not get beyond the outer layer. In spite of his youth Dyab managed to penetrate to the centre.

What France and Chirac are doing right now is trying to cut themselves loose from their roots, which is very unwise.


do fish need a bike?
by Christian Dick Thursday December 18, 2003 at 09:33 PM

Man needs a god, like a fish needs a bike.

"Denying God is definitely a way of believing"

No, it is not. If I deny the fact that it is raining, that fact can be checked. And I am either right or wrong in my assesment. The question is not whether I believe it is raining: it either is or it isn't. What I (or anyone else) believe is irrelevant to the facts.
The same applies to religion. There has never been, in the history of human existence, a single shred of valid evidence or data to support the validity of the existence of god. On the contrary, everything points to the fact that there is no such entity as god.

"why don't you add that gravity does not exist".

Because gravity can be checked, it exists, it can be examined and proof to the existence of gravity is all around us. Newton and Einstein have given me valid explanations to what gravity is, what it does and how it comes into existence. Their explanations and theories can be checked and experiments can be conducted to proof the fact that gravity exists. We call this the law of nature. None of this is possible with the concept of god.

"This man denies everything that is basically a law of nature, more specifically the nature of mankind."

There is no connection between the law of nature and the existence of god. God is a concept by which ignorant and illiterate people try to describe natural fenomenon for they had no other way of explaining them. Science has thought us that every fenomenon can be discerned, analysed and described in terms of cause and effect and law of nature.

"Believing that God does not exist is also a believe and nothing more than that."

No it is not. Believing that ghosts, Santa Claus, monsters and god do not exist is not a believe. It is common sense which should be taught to all children to ease their anxiety and make them feel comfortable.
Promoting the idea that god, Santa Claus, monsters and ghosts exist, instills in children's minds fear and terror and should be considered child abuse. It's a form of terror and should be made illegal.

"The existence of God does not depend on the believe of the atheïst."
Believing in monsters or god do not make them a reality either. Luckily so.

"One group rejects the notion of god but embraces justice and mutual respect, which is basically the same as genuinily believing in god."

Justice and mutual respect the same as believing in god? Then how to explain the historical role of religion and its adepts in the crusades, murder of whitches, heretics, wars, supression of women, exploitation of the working masses, beheading, executions, torture, religious wars and the like? Religion is and always has been a tool in the hands of the powers that be to keep the masses ignorant and to aid in their exploitation.

"The other group rejects god becaust it does not like justice and mutual respect which is basically what the metaphor 'devil' stands for. What the gentleman above really is saying is that he refuses to accept the existence of the subconscious."

What I am saying is nothing of the kind. I do not believe in god. That has nothing to do with subconsiousness. It is a rational analyses of facts. I do not believe in monsters or Santa Claus. All these elements have probably been instilled in my subconsiousness by this sick and deranged society, but it doesn't make them real.

"What France and Chirac are doing right now is trying to cut themselves loose from their roots, which is very unwise."

What France is doing is defending the root and reason of its revolution: to create a strict divide between state and religion. To stop religion from abusing its powers as it did in the past and to give people the opportunity to emancipate themselves freed from irational concepts and insane myths.

As far as Dyab Abu-Jahjah and even more the AEL is concerned, they have my respect and support. For their struggle is a genuine one, designed to uplift their people and end racism and exploitation.
Using religion to these ends is a mistake that Malcolm X made as well. It is no coincidence that Malcolm turned away from religion as a basis for uniting people at the end of his live. That is the moment he really became dangerous for the system and that is the moment he got killed.

"The gods of atheist people simply have other names."

No. Atheists have no gods. So they have no need to put names to them as they don't exist. It is a simplistic way of saying: religious people are atheists but they don't know it yet. It is no argument, no dialectics but empty rethoric.

To veil or not to veil
by Tarama Sunday December 21, 2003 at 04:52 PM
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The problem is not the veil. The problem is the way women who are not veiled are treated by moslim youths and men.
I think Chirac is wrong by trying to forbid women who want to wear a veil to do so. However I do want a law that punishes severely
any person who forces in in any way a woman or a girl to wear a veil. Such a person should be fined and then expulsed for ever
from Europe. together with his/ her family.Only the woman who refused to be veiled can stay and should be protected. By law.
Men and youths who abuse women and girls for not wearing a veil should be put in prison for some years and then be expulsed.
Brothers should be taught that their sisters have exactly the same rights as they do. Young men who boss their sisters around in the name of religion should have their behinds whipped in public.