Wie vergaste de Koerden in Halabja? by Guido Monday February 03, 2003 at 04:31 AM |
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Volgens een opiniestuk in de New York Times was het Iran die de koerden in Halabja vergast heeft. Vorig jaar waren er op deze site hevige discussies over dit onderwerp. Mij gaat het erom waarom dit opiniestuk verscheen. Kan het gezien worden als anti-Iran-propaganda? Of was het dan toch niet Saddam die de Koerden vergaste?
"The accusation that Iraq has used chemical weapons
against its citizens is a familiar part of the debate. The piece of hard
evidence most frequently brought up concerns the gassing of Iraqi Kurds at the
town of Halabja in March 1988, near the end of the eight-year Iran-Iraq
war." "But the truth is, all we know for certain is that Kurds were
bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty
that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds. This is not the only distortion in
the Halabja story."
Deze citaten komen uit een opiniestuk
dat in de NYT verscheen en al verspreid is via het Internet.
De auteur van het stuk is Stephen C. Pelletiere. Hij was een
politieke analyst van Irak toen hij tijdens de Irak-Iran oorlog voor de C.I.A.
werkte.
Van 1988 tot 200 was hij professor aan het Army War College. Hij had het privilege om veel van het geclasseerd materiaal te zien dat in Washington aanwezig was over de Perzische Golf.
In 1991 leidde hij een "Army"-onderzoek dat moest nagaan hoe de Irakezen zouden vechten tegen de Verenigde Staten, de geclassificeerde van het rapport ging tot in het kleinste detail in op de gebeurtenissen in Halabja.
Na het gevecht in Halabja, onderzocht de "United States Defense Intelligence Agency" de gebeurtenissen en maakte een geclassificeerd rapport waarin stond dat het Iranees gas was dat de Koerden dode en niet Irakees gas. Het Agentschap ontdekte dat beide partijen gas gebruikten in het gevecht rond Halabja. Maar de lijken van de Koerden toonden aan dat ze waren overleden aan een gas gebaseerd op cyanide, waarvan men wist dat Iran dat gebruikte. Irak, waarvan men denkt dat ze mosterdgas gebruikten, beschikte toen nog niet over "blood agents".
Op indymedia.org vond ik een artikel over dezelfde kwestie, Part Of The Truth About Iraq , waarin ook Iran als schuldige wordt aangewezen.
Een comment onder dat artikel ging als volgt:
"There is ample evidence that shows that the United
States KNEW full well that Iraq gassed both Kurds and Iranians and SUPPORTED
Iraq in these attacks nonetheless. The Reagan Administration even went as far as
to make the CLAIM that Iran committed these attacks to further DEMONIZE Iran
while justifying its support for Iraq."
Volgende is een artikel
over wie wat deed in Halabja met daaronder opmerkingen van lezers uit 1990 in de
NYT.
Op deze site zijn er een paar heel felle discussies geweest over deze gebeurtenissen, waarbij men elkaar beschuldigde van negationisme. Saddam, de vergasser der Koerden. dat als reactie kwam op dit artikel Een oorlog om olie of tegen een dictatuur?? (een antwoord op Diogene(s))
Wat dan deze reactie uitlokte: Gevaarlijk 'negationisme' rond Irak
Mijn vraag is aan de mensen die hier meer over weten, wat moet ik nu leren uit dat opiniestuk in de NYT?
Eric Suy by Het Rooje Nest Monday February 03, 2003 at 02:02 PM |
In een opiniestuk in De Morgen van een tijd geleden trok ex-adjunct secretaris-generaal van de UNO Eric Suy de rol van het regime Hoessein in Halabja ook in twijfel. Heeft er iemand dat citaat nog?
VS medeplichtig? by Agua 121 Monday February 03, 2003 at 05:40 PM |
Ik heb eventjes dat artikel van Robert Fisk van 13 december terug opgezocht. http://archive.indymedia.be/front.php3?article_id=42607. Vele vragen blijven onbeantwoord, maar het zou wel kunnen dat de VS betrokken waren bij de toelevering van grondstoffen voor dit gas. Als dat zo is lijkt het me niet meer dan normaal dat de Amerikaanse veiligheidsdiensten wat mist hebben opgetrokken rond deze hele bemerkelijke zaak...
Halabja revisited: compleet rapport op www.irak.be by Dirk Adriaensens Monday February 03, 2003 at 07:21 PM |
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The source for most of these "exposes" of Halabja was a report entitled 'Iraqi power and US security in the Middle East' by Stephen Pelletiere (trained in politics, also claims Iran was behind the 1991 intifada in Southern Iraq), ret. Colonel Douglas V. Johnson (trained in strategic studies) and Leif Rosenberger (trained in economics). It was published by the US Army War College - not usually a source that campaigners take as providing the gospel truth. I mention the authors' academic background only in order to point out that none of them (to my knowledge) are trained in chemistry or medical diagnostics. As far as I'm aware, the IHT piece of 1990 was just referring to this study (though I haven't seen that article directly).
Contrary to the claim made in one of the authors cited by Ghazwan it cannot be said that this book "examined very closely the behaviour of the Iraqi army during the hostilities with Iran". Indeed, it only makes brief mention of Halabja, and then only assertively (no evidence is offered). On page 52 of the book it is simply written:
"In March 1988, the Kurds at Halabjah were bombarded with chemical weapons, producing a great many deaths. Photographs of the Kurdish victims were widely disseminated in the international media. Iraq was blamed for the Halabjah attack, even though it was subsequently brought out that Iran too had used chemicals in this operation, and it seemed likely that it was the Iranian bombardment that had actually killed the Kurds."
That's it, the basis of much of the claims that have been circulating on casi-discuss for the last few years.
So why did these authors take this line? Well, the focus of their study is not on Halabja, human rights in Iraq or international welfare, but is
indicated by the title of the study, "US security in the Middle East".
Straight after making their claim on Halabja, the authors detail what they mean by "US security in the Middle East":
"As a result of the outcome of the Iran-Iraq War, Iraq is now the most powerful state in the Persian Gulf, an area in which we have vital
interests. To maintain an uninterrupted flow of oil from the Gulf to the West, we need to develop good working relations with all of the Gulf
states, and particularly with Iraq, the strongest." (p.53)
This is two sentences after their take on Halabja. Human rights organisations' attempts to penalise Iraq are "without sufficient thought
for the adverse diplomatic effects" (p.53). Again, p.57: "under pressure from the Iraqis, all the Arab states of the Gulf - with the possible
exception of Oman - would tacitly support a move to withdraw US privilieges in the Gulf" - and so Iraq needs to be kept on side, lest "US
privileges" be withdrawn.
OK, that's the ad hominem attack as such. Turning to the actual arguments themselves, Douglas Johnson has explained them in a little more detail in personal correspondence with a colleague of mine. The sole evidential material provided is that the photos of Kurdish victims showed blue discoloration of extremities, and this was an indication of use of a cyanide compound, most probably hydrogen cyanide or its derivatives ("blood gas"); since it was claimed that Iraq did not make use of hydrogen cyanide, someone else must have done it. Therefore (the argument goes), it must have been Iran. This is coupled with a claim that since Halabja was only recently captured by the Iranian-backed Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, there was probably an Iranian mix-up and the Iranians ended up bombing their own side.
The problems with this argument are numerous. Most obviously, why on earth would Iran bomb a town so extensively whose inhabitants were among the core supporters of their ally, the PUK? The argument of "fog of war" fails to hold, even if the Iranian air force had thought that Iraqi troops were still present in Halabja.
Even that seems unlikely: the PUK captured Halabja on 15 March 1988. They were accompanied by members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard who coordinated PUK actions. The town was fully under PUK/Iranian control 4 hours after they entered the town. The eyewitness testimony collected by Physicians for Human Rights and by British filmmaker Gwynne Roberts, who was in Halabja & captured the attack and aftermath on film, confirms this: the PUK controlled all exits to the town, and were preventing civilians from leaving as they thought that the Iraqis would not spread their artillery bombardment of surrounding areas to the centre of the town if it was fully inhabited (human shields). I find it hard to believe that with Iranian troops in the town for 36 hours before the chemical weapons attacks, the field commanders still thought that Iraqi forces were still in possession of the town.
The actual attack began at nightfall on the 16th, when 8 aircraft dropped chemical bombs; they were followed throughout the night by 14 aircraft sorties, with 7 to 8 planes in each group. Intermittent bombardment continued until the 18th (some reports say the morning of the 19th). If the Johnson et al argument is to be believed, Iranians were bombing their own elite units and key supporters for 48 hours, even though news reports were already circulating about the defeat of Iraqi troops on the 15th.
Regarding the nature of the CWs used - the crucial element in Johnson's analysis - the most detail survey of the medical effects was done by
Professor Christine Gosden, a medical geneticist from Liverpool Uni, who has (I think) done the only survey into the long-term effects of the CW attack (obvious access problems until recently). From looking at the health problems of those who were victims of the attacks on Halabja, her results show that mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX were used in the attack.
Prior UN investigations had catalogued Iraqi use of Tabun and mustard gas from 1983, but ongoing into the later stages of the war (see in particular the specialist report of the UN Sec-Gen of 26/3/84, and the UN expert commission report on use of chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war doc no. S/18852 of 1988). Iraqi use of sarin and VX has been widely asserted (the former, by the Physicians for Human Rights in soil sampling from Birjinni: http://www.phrusa.org/research/chemical.html). So it seems quite clear that all the chemical agents that Gosden traces the use of at Halabja had been used previously by Iraq.
By contrast, I have seen no reliable analysis of Iranian use of either Tabun or Hydrogen Cyanide - Dr Johnson doesn't tell us that he has any
such evidence either: all he says is that there was no previous use of cyanide from the Iraqi side, and infers from this that it must have been
the Iranians. By contrast, the presence of cyanide which Dr Johnson claims (but is still disputed; the claim stems primarily from Iranian autopsies on victims I believe, but are not independently confirmed) is perfectly explicable in terms of Iraqi use of Tabun. Gosden says:
"The Halabja attack involved multiple chemical agents -- including mustard gas, and the nerve agents SARIN, TABUN and VX. Some sources report that cyanide was also used. It may be that an impure form of TABUN, which has a cyanide residue, released the cyanide compound."
(http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_hr/s980422-cg.htm; reposted in a better format at: http://www.chem-bio.com/resource/gosden.html)
The only credible report that Johnson himself cites in his defence, a PhD from Syracuse University in 1993 - rather than supporting Johnson's case - shows that the decomposition of the chemical agent, Tabun (which Iraq did use) produces a cyanide compound. Iraq didn't need to use hydrogen cyanide directly in order to produce blue discoloration around mouths. Its established repertoire of chemicals did that as well.
This interpretation has also been supported by the Jean Pascal Zanders, Project Leader of the Stockholm International Peace Research
Institute's Chemical and Biological Warfare Project, who conducted interviews with victims of Halabja brought to Brussels for treatment.
Zanders argues that direct use of hydrogen cyanide at Halabja was unlikely. Hydrogen cyanide is itself highly volatile. It must be delivered on the target in huge quantities to be effective and its effects are gone in a matter of seconds. The heat in Halabja would have rendered
this even more problematic. Furthermore, the flashpoint of hydrogen cyanide is very low which means that it easily explodes. So at least some bombs or containers with the agent, if that was the method of delivery, would have exploded upon impact. There are no reports of any such explosions (unlike the many accounts of French drums filled with hydrogen cyanide exploding in mid-air or upon impact when lobbed towards the German trenches in WWI).
Finally, there is no evidence of Iranian use of hydrogen cyanide either. Iran has submitted its declarations on past CW programmes to the
Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the international body overseeing the implementation of the Chemical Weapons Convention. International inspectors have verified these declarations, including those regarding former CW production facilities. Zanders mentions that Iran only had pilot plant-scale CW production facilities towards the end of and just after the war. He argues that Iran does not in retrospect appear to have had the capability to mount a major CW attack. This is consistent with UN reports of the time (including the 1988 report referred to above) which found no evidence of large scale Iranian use (it is probable, though, that there were small trial uses by Iran in 1987).
So, in summary, either the atrocity at Halabja was carried out by the Iraqi military against their enemies - with a set of chemical warfare agents that they had a record of use prior to Halabja, and with a proven reputation for using chemical weapons in large amounts against
civilians (the mustard gas attacks on Majnun island in September 1984 are estimated to have killed 40,000 people) - or by the Iranians, against their own allies and soldiers in an attack using chemicals that there's no evidence that they ever have had. If you still choose to believe the latter, you should be aware that the only original report I know of that supports your position is primarily concerned with maintaining friendly relations with Iraq for oil and geostrategic reasons, and shows little understanding of the nature of the chemical agents used in the war.
I hope this is useful.
Best regards
Glen Rangwala
Faculty of Social and Political Sciences
Free School Lane
Cambridge
CB2 3RQ
UK
Tel: 44 (0)7930 627944
Fax: 44 (0)7092 330826 (CASI 08/01/02)
http://www.irak.be/ned/archief/Halabja-CASI.htm
http://www.irak.be/ned/archief/halabja.pdf
gas denials by the facts Tuesday February 04, 2003 at 01:18 AM |
This all story is an Hoax. Hussein did gas his Kurds as he also performed genocide against the arameens in his country.
This is a similar denial as the holocaust denail, the armenian genocide denail and the rwanda genocide denial (yes, this already exists also, despite all the press being there!)
One of the stories of a witness is here:
http://www.genocidewatch.org/A%20Kurdish%20view%20for%20peace.htm
and:
http://mondediplo.com/1998/03/04iraqkn
and Human rights watch
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqanfal/
etc...
Amnesty (the older reports are not online)
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/MDE140031996?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES/IRAQ
The hoax is being created by the same kind of people as the fascist and nazi holocaust deniers. Can't understand why Indymedia accepts this kind of c... ?
and also read a April 1st 2002 article
http://slate.msn.com/id/2063934/
Jude Wanniski's Genocide Denial
Wherein the supply-side guru disputes, against all evidence, Saddam's gassing of the Kurds.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Monday, April 1, 2002, at 3:35 PM PT
Jude Wanniski, the former Wall Street Journal editorialist whose book The Way the World Works popularized supply-side economics (and therefore helped create the deficit crisis that paralyzed domestic policy-making during the 1980s and 1990s), has a gift for forging screwball alliances. A decade ago, he romanced Jerry Brown, even though Wanniski himself was a conservative Reaganite. A few years later, Wanniski cozied up to Louis Farrakhan. He's even tried (unsuccessfully) to find common ground with Lyndon LaRouche. Now Wanniski has developed his most improbable crush of all. He's fallen for Saddam Hussein.
....
Human Rights Watch has a cache of documents that the Kurds captured from the Iraqis during the war. Search for the word "chemical" or the word "special" (the Iraqi euphemism for gas attacks was "special attacks"), and you'll see the Baath Party was as good as its word.
Chatterbox can't understand why Wanniski chooses to ignore all this evidence. Wanniski is clearly opposed to extending the war on terrorism to Iraq. But to deny that Iraq is a bloody and vicious regime just makes the dove position look idiotic. Chatterbox himself is inclined to dovishness about Iraq, not because he's deceived about Saddam but because he wants to keep the international get-Osama coalition together. (There is further, of course, the small practical matter that with Israel now having declared war on Yasser Arafat, it would be unwise to further inflame the Middle East.) For Wanniski to deny what Iraq has done to the Kurds requires a depth of fanaticism approaching that of Holocaust revisionism.
the HRW archives with the proofs:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1994/iraq/APPENDIX.htm#TopOfPage
And even Fisk confirmed the gasing of Kurds by Saddam, for those that only believe what tha guys says...
Pas op Guido .... by han Wednesday February 05, 2003 at 05:27 PM |
Pas op Guido, als je dergelijke dingen durft te vragen wordt je door bepaalde mensen als negationist versleten.
Groeten
han
Pas op Guido ... by han Wednesday February 05, 2003 at 05:34 PM |
Pas op Guido, als je dergelijke dingen durft te vragen wordt je door bepaalde mensen als negationist versleten.
Groeten
han