arch/ive/ief (2000 - 2005)

London calling...dood van een activist
by gérard Monday December 23, 2002 at 12:11 PM
nada2000@pandora.be

legendarische zanger van de the clash is gisteren overleden.

London calling...doo...
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begin jaren tachtig, de problemen thuis...het weglopen...
de kraakpanden... de zeer woelige betogingen...de complete chaos... de drugsdoden...de Reagan en Thatchershit
en tussen dit alles Joe Strummer met zijn groep The Clash die mij met zijn muziek op een radicale maar efficiente manier troost bood en mij sociaal, politiek en persoonlijk de vorming gaf waar ik thuis kon naar fluiten.
Zijn engagement met de minderbedeelden in Engeland, zijn steun aan de Sandinisten....enz...
Als activist en als mens zal ik je missen.

Sandinista!

Copyriht?
by JAN Monday December 23, 2002 at 01:15 PM

Copyriht?

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by Yvos Monday December 23, 2002 at 01:42 PM

Et merde ...

Ce sont toujours les meilleurs qui partent trop tôt ...

Good Bye my friend ...

SANDINISTA FOREVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

je crois que pour le copyright, on peut laisser tomber... grosse tristesse
by babe519 Monday December 23, 2002 at 02:27 PM

Guns of Brixton, The
(Paul Simonon)


When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting on death row
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, the guns of Brixton
The money feels good
And your life you like it well
But surely your time will come
As in heaven, as in hell
You see, he feels like Ivan
Born under the Brixton sun
His game is called survivin'
At the end of the harder they come
You know it means no mercy
They caught him with a gun
No need for the Black Maria
Goodbye to the Brixton sun
You can crush us
You can bruise us
Yes, even shoot us
But oh-the guns of Brixton
When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
You can crush us
You can bruise us
Yes, even shoot us
But oh-the guns of Brixton
Shot down on the pavement
Waiting in death row
His game is called survivin'
As in heaven as in hell
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, the guns of Brixton

All this praise for the Clash? Gimme a break..
by ugmax Thursday December 26, 2002 at 04:24 PM

Yes that's right, punk is dead
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters
CBS promote the Clash
Ain't for revolution, it's just for cash
Punk became a fashion just like hippy used to be
Ain't got a thing to do with your or me

Movements are systems and systems kill
Movements are expressions of the public will
Punk became a movement cos we all felt lost
Leaders sold out and now we all pay the cost
Punk narcissism was a social napalm
Steve Jones started doing real harm
Preaching revolution, anarchy and change
Sucked from the system that had given him his name

Well I'm tired of staring through shit stained glass
Tired of staring up a superstars arse
I've got an arse and crap and a name
I'm just waiting for my fifteen minutes fame

Steven Jones, you're napalm
If you're so pretty vacant, why do you smarm?
Patti Smith, you're napalm, your write with your hand
But it's Rimbaud's arm

And me, yes, I, do I want to burn?
Is there something I can learn?
Do I need a business man to promote my angle
Can I resist the carrots that fame and fortune dangle
I see the velvet zippies in their bondage gear
The social elite with safetypins in their ear
I watch and understand that it don't mean a thing
The scorpions might attack, but the systems stole the sting
PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD. PUNK IS DEAD.
-Crass

Punks not dead
by Tiemoo Thursday December 26, 2002 at 11:34 PM

Punk isn't dead.
there's a whole new generation of punkers and punkrockers and they all like the old shit.
Ok, so this major record labels are trying to buy our music, well, it's our job to keep the shit clean! Don't you give up on us!
So what if we're a movement ? the only way to beat the system is to be one.
Punks not dead

yes, it is
by Maarten Frederick Friday December 27, 2002 at 11:43 AM
maarten_frederickx@hotmail.com

Don't you see the difference, what we are talking about
their are two groups:
1)crass, disorder, neos,...
2)the sex pistols, the clash, ramones or even the doors, black sabbat,...

Group 2 can go to hell

Today you got

1)crust, grindcore, mince core, oi,...
2)britney spears, mtv, ...

Too easy
by Tan Friday December 27, 2002 at 02:22 PM

Don't you think your speech isn't too easy?

Today they are few artists who support revolutionary movements or who bring their (left) opinion to the people. So, isn't it fine when they do? Big labels buy artists, that is their problem, not ours. Groups like Rage Against the Machine, Spearhead and even The Clash are recuperated by big bussines. But they keep telling what they think. That is what matters, no?
You compare Britney Spears, Ramones and MTV with the Clash.
Joe Strummer supported the Sandinists. I have never seen Britney Spears (neither the Ramones) doing that. That is the matter and not the fact if they are commercial yes or no.
T.

Dag Joe
by Woody Friday December 27, 2002 at 02:56 PM

Laat maar zeiken.

Woody

yes, but...
by Maarten Frederickx Friday December 27, 2002 at 05:09 PM
maarten_frederickx@hotmail.com

What I really meant is that it isn't possible to be an anticapitalistic musicgroup while you're recupurated by the big buisness. Than you're also bad, but not so bad as mtv or britney. If the clash is anticapitalistic, than they are bad and hypocrite. If they are not anticapitalistic, than they are U2-bad.
No respect for music-profit!

punk & politics
by Peter Morlion Friday December 27, 2002 at 08:42 PM
dikkexpierre@yahoo.com

Punk wasn't political because it was anarchist or because it supported social struggles. Punk was political because it WAS a social struggle. It was political because it said fuck off to the status quo that put the punks where they were: jobless, no future, struggling for every day, etc.
That was what was political. When the music-industry saw the money in that (and the fact that yuppies wanted to copy the tough image), they created and bought bands and gave them a political touch (i.e. Midnight Oil, etc.) Some were serious about their opinions but didn't see the real faces behind their managers.
The 'real' punk now is however different. Maybe even less than half of the punks today come from a working class background. Indeed, the DIY attitude lives on, but to say they're a real menace to society as they were then...? Think about it, I don't think 50 year olds are as shocked when seeing a punk with a mohawk as the 50 year olds were in the 70s.
Punk is dead, long live punk. It's fun, but a real social movement should outgrow the boundaries of a subculture.
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Read Penny Rimbaud's writings for more on this. He's the drummer and lyricist of the anarchist punkband Crass.