arch/ive/ief (2000 - 2005)

Introduction

 

 In this paper I will present a view of the current situation of Arabs in Europe. My intention is not to elaborate on legal procedures or new legislation by the European union on ìcombating terrorismî nor I will be trying to define terrorism or propose strategies to deal with it, as I am sure many of the other papers in this conference will be doing that. Instead I will try to shed some light on the socio-political and cultural interactions between Arabs and Europeans and the socio-cultural context prior to the eleventh of September and what changes occurred after it. This is not an academical paper and was not meant to be one. My intention all through will be to reflect the situation out of an Arab-European perspective. The eleventh of September will not be the pivotal date in this paper nor its leitmotiv. I will try to sketch a more comprehensive image of the roots of Islamophobia and anti-Arab feeling in Europe with a political and historical approach. As an illustration case, I will examine closely the situation of the Arab community in the province of Flanders in Belgium, because it is where I live and therefore I would be more capable of giving a personal testimony on the situation there.

This paper is based upon the experience and day to day findings of the Arab European League (AEL), a Belgian based organization that is active in defending the civil rights of Arabs in Europe and a better understanding for Arab causes in general. AEL is more a movement than a lobby; it operates on the grassroots level and is widely represented among the second generation Arabs in Belgium.

  

1-The burden of history

 Not many people in Europe today are aware of the way their role in history has been perceived and experienced by other peoples.  Not many Europeans would like to enter a debate on the repercussions of their colonization on what they call the third world. Neither would they like to admit that many of the worldís conflicts today are a direct result of the mess Europe created wherever it passed. In Belgium for instance the colonization of Congo is barely mentioned in public debate, and the continuous interfering in the politics of that country even after direct colonization had ended (see the Belgian implication in the murder of Lumumba) is also not a favorite subject of discussion. The same goes for Rwanda and Burundi, and the relation between Belgian colonization of these countries and the creation of the division between Hutu and Tutsi. And the direct and indirect fueling of the conflict between the two groups that resulted in the Rwandan genocide and the death of more than a million people, all this is also a subject to avoid.

Europe suffers from selective amnesia, on the one hand it will never forget the Holocaust, never forget even the eleventh of September, but Algeria, Rwanda, Bosnia, Iraq are all too often forgotten.

The new Europe is trying, however, to cut a new deal with the world. It is trying to be the enlightened partner of the unique super power. It is always looking for nuances, for that good middle way, and often to the frustration of the American big brother and its loyal lackey in London. Europe is playing an important role in what it calls development cooperation, building partnerships with its southern neighbors that are useful, even though they are far from being a structural solution to any problem. That enlightened Europe that is propagated mainly through the institutions of the European union is supposed to bring a message of tolerance and broadmindedness to the world and help healing the wounds of conflicts and war.  Nevertheless, one might wonder if this new message that Europe wants to bring to the world and the role that Europe wants to claim are not a modern-day version of the infamous ìwhite manís burdenî of the past centuries. It is legitimate to pose this question since ethnocentrism still stains policies and minds in the old continent. 

 

 

2-The apogee of fear

 

Europe has a problem with its own history, it is trying to forge an identity out of a conflictual past with as only tools: common interests and values. By doing so, the process of European integration is shaking the foundations of the old identities and making certain populations feel insecure, easily threatened or easy to perceive insecurity in its subjective form.

In a world globalizing and a Europe integrating, a peasant from the Flemish country side or a worker from the port of Antwerp or even a banker from Brussels will easily feel exposed to ìexternal dangersî regardless of their factual existence or the lack of it. These dangers can take the form of economical competition like hostile takeovers by multinationals or European mergers accompanied by what is cynically called rationalization, which means sacking workers to cut down expanses in a more competitive environment. Sabena and Swiss air merged and then both went bankrupt short before Belgium replaced its national currency with the Euro. Economical mutations are being conceived not only as a source of instability on the employment market or a financial adventure in an unknown realm, but also as a loss of national symbols (national airline, national currency).  The danger îthat is coming from outsideî can also be a disease (mad cow or foot and mouth) and once again be expensive to deal with.  The threat can even take more modern and unfamiliar forms like a computer virus (you all remember the I love you virus coming also from outside, somewhere in cyber space). But the biggest threat of them all, despite all innovation and mutation, is the most ancient one of them all: fellow man.

People are more than ever afraid of other people, especially when that other is coming from outside. When he is a stranger, a foreigner. With a world losing its boundaries a foreigner has become more threatening for many reasons. He is more likely to come from ìoutsideî to ìinsideî as boarders are becoming vague and redundant in Europe and people can travel almost as easy as goods. He is more likely to claim the same rights as local, European citizens can now vote in municipal and European elections in Belgium and discussions are ongoing to give even non-EU residents that same right. He might be more skilled and more capable of finding a job in the new economy that is based upon communication skills and technological literacy. He is very likely to take advantage of tax facilities while withdrawing money from the national market and transferring it to his home country. He will bring with him new ideas and new traditions that might not be consistent with the nature of the country and its people.

Cocooning within the safe boundaries of ones own community and country is no more a possible dream except in few cases.

These reasons make a Flemish individual from Antwerp mistrust and even dislike a priori any Dutch person who moved to live and work in Antwerp (thousands of Dutch people indeed took that step and are met with similar attitudes). 

So here we are talking about what this situation can do between two white Europeans speaking the same language and very likely practicing the same religion and sharing similar values. Let us now imagine that this ìotherî is a bit more different than a Dutch man is. Letís say he is dark skinned, with black curly hair, that he comes originally from Morocco, speaks Arabic and practices Islam. But also, that he is a manual worker, not very skilled and struggling to survive and forced often to use the welfare system and social security funds as finding a job is already more difficult than ever, even for more skilled people. It is needless to say that the fear and mistrust will be far greater.

  

3-Islam-phobia, racism or just xenophobia?

  Xenophobia is not strange to human nature whether you are Arab, European or Chinese. Actually it is a natural reflex that has deep going roots in the human psyche since we first left our caves and took to the fields and steppes and started encountering other human groups. But in Europe it is accentuated by another more malice and less general attitude: racism. Racism is an ideology and a state of mind prescribing the supremacy of ones own race over all other races. A racist person does not believe in productive coexistence and interaction and can only conceive one relationship with people from other races and that is exploitation. In other words, if one can exploit or at least use another racial group than one can tolerate its presence and in all other cases that racial group has to disappear, because if it were useless than its mere existence would be harmful. Making another racial group disappear can be achieved through ethnic cleansing, deportation or even genocide.

No where in the world did racism flourish more than in Europe. Racist paradigms evolved and mutated but never disappeared. From slavery, to the ìwhite manís burdenî and from ìmissionary evangelizationî to the ìmessage of Europeî. From Hitlerís ìfinal solutionî to Le Penís ìrepatriation of all non European strangersî.

Racism added to xenophobia is an explosive cocktail. If you want to make the equation even more complicated than you have to bring Arabism and Islam into the picture.

Europe has never digested its defeat in the crusades nor did the Arab world forget the atrocities committed by these ìsavages coming from the northî and their holy war to retrieve the tomb of what they see as their god. Islam for Europeans is not only another average unknown world; it is historically and psychologically a hostile one and a dangerous one.

In the middle-ages, the fear of a superior Arab-Islamic empire and civilization trying to expend its territory into the heart of Europe was more than just a phobia, it was a geopolitical reality.  Nowadays, components of this same fear are still present in European popular culture and are more and more infiltrating the political spectrum. The only difference is that the image of the Arab-Islamic culture and world is not that of a superior foe but rather a weakened and wounded one. At the same time it is a foe contesting the status-quo and using the dynamic and mobilizing nature of its religion to revitalize itself and regain its ancient status.

This paper did not start with the buzz sentence ìafter the fall of the Soviet Unionî because we all know that it is when the communist danger was defeated that Europe and the west started to be haunted by its old demons of Islam-phobia. And unlike anti communism, Islam-phobia could perfectly be combined with racism and xenophobia. The result was that in the beginning of the nineties anti-Arab and anti-Muslim discourse started to become trivial mainstream discourse in many milieus. And this all coincided with theories about an unavoidable clash of civilization that the west and Islam will be its main protagonists. The polarization of the world was then reestablished, with the West and its Judeo-Christian civilization on one side and the Arab and Islamic worlds and Islam on the other. It is the Middle Ages revisited.

 Soon after, the west sent its first modern-day crusade to save a friendly vassal prince from the evil and madness of a megalomaniac and bloodthirsty Saracen dictator.

     

4.      Paving the way of pain 

  Even though the Gulf war of 1991 was clearly an American war and that most European policy makers conceived it as such, and even defined their implication in it and their strategies in function of one goal: tempering the American outburst and ambitions. On the popular level the Gulf war was lived and experienced differently. If we put aside the traditional protest of pacifist and leftist Europe that is by no means representative of the main stream, the average European citizen bought the American version of the story and looked at Iraq as an empire of evil governed by a mad man plotting to control the world.

Reaganism is a very simplistic doctrine that can easily gain support among masses. Its populism is the key to its popularity, and this is true in Europe, as it is true in the U.S.

Bush senior, a loyal disciple of the third rank actor -who obviously acted good enough to make it to the white house but never to Hollywood- knew that very well and stayed loyal to the almost religious polarization methods practiced by his predecessor. The demonization of the enemy leader is an essential step in the process of dehumanization of his people. Both processes have been thoroughly executed during the gulf war in a way that allowed the murder of thousands of Iraqi civilians while only speaking of collateral damage. In the street of Brussels the polarization was strongly felt. On the one hand the Belgian population was completely terrified by the possibility of an Iraqi missile attack reaching to the heart of Europe while the Arab immigrant community, that is strongly present, was bitter about the war and did not hide its sympathy with Iraq and its despise of the Americans.

The Arabs in Belgium were then looked at as the ìfifth columnî of the evil enemy.  These immigrants who were invited to come in the sixties when Belgium experienced a shortage in cheap labor, and who worked hard and helped building Belgiumís infrastructure and industry not to mention working in mines under barely human conditions, have became useless after the economical crisis of the seventies and early eighties. But what the Belgian government did not anticipate is that most of them decided to stay, especially since their children were born in their new country. And as we already mentioned while talking about racist mechanisms, a useless different ethnic group can not be tolerated or accepted, it has to disappear. This was exactly how Moroccans in Belgium were perceived, and unfortunately, this is still the case today. One might argue that this has to do with the racist white supremacy attitude of the average Belgian accentuated by the economical crisis, and that is indeed true. The statistics of the European Union (Euro barometer 1997) single Belgium out as the most racist country in Europe. But it is also true that the islamophobic reflex that was revitalized by the gulf war added extra fuel to the whole explosive equation. After the defeat of Iraq the bitterness of Arabs in Belgium turned into frustration and the fear of the fifth column did not vanish.

It is by no means a coincidence that 1991 is the year that witnessed the most violent clashes between the police and Arab youth in what looked like intifada scenes in the street of Brussels and that was only weeks after the gulf war ended. The reason of the clashes was that the far right racist party ìVlaams Blokî was allowed to hold a political rally in Molenbeek, a neighborhood of Brussels where predominantly Arab immigrants live. Vlaams Blok was already campaigning on a strong anti immigrant platform very similar to that of Le Pen in France. Among its slogans one could read ìIslam outî or even ìhalt Islamic invasionî. To allow a party like this into the streets of Molenbeek in the spring of 1991 is definitely asking for troubles. The clashes were very violent and lasted for days and they ended only when the minister of interior issued an official apology to the Arab community and promised not to commit such mistakes in the future. A couple of months later the same racist party scored a sweeping victory in the national elections and even became the biggest political party in the important city of Antwerp.

  

5.      The other side of the medal

                            

It is because Europe has to do the most with racism that Europe talks the most about anti- racism. And it is there, in European anti-racist strategies, that the most dangerous mistakes were committed and that racism is building its most impressive shrines.

 The electoral victory of Vlaams Blok shocked and surprised their friends and foes alike. No one could imagine that a party with such an archaic message ìthe immediate deportation of all non-white immigrantsî could gain so much support. The whole political establishment felt the ground shaking under its feet, not only because the Blok was racist but also because the Blok is openly an anti-Belgian party and calls for the immediate independence of the Flemish provinces.  An urgent need was felt to deprive this party of its main theme, namely the immigration issue. Solutions were supposed to be worked out in order to solve the existing problems among the various groups of the population.

Integration was all of a sudden prescribed as the magical remedy for all the illnesses of racism and hatred in society. A whole strategy of integration was prophetically revealed by two prominent individuals, Johan Leman and Paula Díhondt.  But instead of looking at integration as a process involving the whole population, immigrant and indigenous alike, and that must lead to a multicultural organization of society and to the abolishing of discrimination, integration as understood by Leman and Díhondt was a process that must lead to abolishing all differences between the majority and the immigrant minority through the way of total assimilation of the minority.  In other words, diversity was considered to be the problem and not the incapacity of Belgian society to deal with it. So instead of making a more diverse societal structure one must eliminate diversity and go back to a mono-cultural situation. This logic is the other side of the racist medal, it is also calling for the disappearance of the ìotherî through eliminating all what it makes him an ìotherî, his culture, his language, and even his religion. The only thing that it is willing to accept is for him to have different physical characteristics, and even on that level they were not ashamed to say that ìmarrying a Belgianî was the ìhighest level of integrationî.

Not having a problem with a person of another race as long as he speaks your language, have your culture, and believe in your values is maybe not completely racist, it is just three quarter racist and one quarter hypocrite, and that was exactly what the integration policy of the Belgian government was.

Another very important characteristic of that policy is that it just doesnít work.

Assimilation is now farther than ever, and let me be clear on the fact that this is a positive fact because cultural diversity and the right to preserve ones culture and language are sacred human rights. The immigrant community experienced the integration policy of the government often as an attack on its values and existence as a minority group. As a reaction to that it started to organize itself in self-organizations with as main task the promotion and preservation of the culture and religion. Mosques flourished and Arabic classes reached most of the young immigrants and gave them a necessary tool to keep the link with their culture. On the political level, the failure of the integration policies generated a false impression that no solutions are possible for the genuine problems facing any multicultural society, and that impression gave extra arguments to the Vlaams Blok that the only solution was and still deportation. After ten years, the immigrants are more Moroccan and Muslims than ever, the Belgian public is more Islamophobic than ever and the Vlaams Blok is stronger than ever with 15 percent of the national vote and 33 percent in the city of Antwerp. The Leman- Díhondt strategies did not only fail, they backfired.

 In the neighborhoods where Arabs and Belgians live next to each other, the tension is raising and a storm is looming on the horizon. This time when the wind will blow, the 1991 riots will look like a fresh breath on a sunny morning.

 

6.      Towards a human rights approach

 

 Almost two years ago in may 2000, the Arab European League published two articles in one of the most respected newspapers in Belgium calling for a halt to the integration policies and to approach the whole issue of majority-minority relationship through a human rights perspective. We said that the concept of integration as applied in Belgium is undemocratic and racist, and that equal rights and multiculturalism are the only way towards harmonious coexistence. Putting integration as a precondition to basic rights is an outrage, the only condition to enjoy human rights is being human.

Our position at the time came as a shock to many people who still believed in the old paradigm and were unable to see that it is a fiasco.  We were accused of being fundamentalists because we were in favor of preserving our identity, we were accused of being communists because we appealed for equal rights and we were conceived as being a danger because we declared that we are taking the matters into our own hands. But our articles did start a debate and provoked Leman and his disciples into admitting many shortcomings in their policy. They could call us ìThe Arab Panthersî but they couldnít deny that what we were saying was true.

In Belgium, and especially in Flanders, an Arab can barely rent a house, and even social habitat firms who are linked to the state are operating with exclusion lists baring every Arab name. Arab children are rejected at schools and quotas are being implemented to limit their numbers. And the ones who do make it through the primary schools are canalized by the administration into technical branches. The ones who do succeed despite of all the obstacles to obtain a university degree find it impossible to find a job. The only jobs that are available are in the social sector, that is known to be more tolerant, and for the rest in the interim circuit.

With no proper housing, no proper schooling and no access to work, three of the most basic human rights are systematically violated. Discrimination is not an occasional malfunction of the system but a structural mechanism infesting a whole society. Second-generation immigrants who are born in Belgium and know no other place as their home mainly feel this situation. It has created a generation with no future and nothing to lose. And instead of dealing with the main problems that racism and discrimination are causing, government policy is a combination of assimilation-oriented action and police repression.

Professors Ludo Walgrave and Kris Kesteloot from the catholic university of Leuven concluded in a four years study over youth and urbanism that white Belgian youngsters have a ten time higher percentage among all drug dealers. Moroccan youngsters are, however, ten times more arrested than Belgians for drug dealing. This means that the police are ten times more likely to arrest a Moroccan than a Belgian for committing exactly the same crime. In the city of Antwerp, where 33 percent voted Vlaams Blok and a bigger percentage sympathize with that party, the police commissioner Luc Lamin admitted that his police corps is heavily infiltrated by far right militants.  ìOne third of my policeman at least are Vlaams Blok sympathizersî he said to the media. Now please imagine how fair a police patrol would be when it comes across a group of Arab kids in the streets of Antwerp.

The term that Belgians use to describe an Arab is ìmakkakî which means ìwhite apeî, would it be a crime to contest the authority of a police officer calling you that? The answer is no. Contesting a discriminatory authority is not only legitimate; it is a democratic duty.

Two years after our first appeal to equal rights, we are still receiving, daily, tens of complaints and registered cases of racial abuse, mistreatment and discrimination. We try to use our good access to the Flemish press to confront decision makers with this fact, our lawyers try to pursue legal steps in some of the cases, but we are limited financially to the strict minimum necessary. Next to the complaint of a community looking more to us as its sole defender, we are receiving the hate mail of a majority that is unable to conceive that a makkak is just another human being. And of course the occasional life threat is a familiar guest of our mailbox or answering machine.

   

7.      A day like any other

 

Let us put something straight, if there is something to conclude of all the former paragraphs it will be that Europe did not need the eleventh of September to be islamophobic or anti-Arab. Sure, right after the events we registered a higher frequency of incidents and racial abuse in most European countries. I was myself arrested on the 16^th of September together with 50 other members of our organization. We were told by police officers things like ìtogether with the Americans we will smash your brainsî, but I was also interrogated weeks before the events by an officer of state security who gave me his card and I was amused to read on it ìIslam and terrorism cellî.  What happened in New York made it less politically incorrect to use terms as terrorist-Islam and allowed the far right parties to be more assertive in their discourse but it did not create the syndrome itself. The eleventh of September in Europe is an act of language more than action. It has taken the debate into another level, maybe sharpened an existing situation to a limited extent, but the situation was already dramatic enough before. After the eleventh of September an Arab has difficulties to find a job, to rent an apartment or to send his children to school, but this was exactly the case on the 10^th of September.

For asylum seekers Europe was a fortress already and asylum policy was already designed to expel as many as possible and accept as few as possible. Security was the hot-item on the 10^th of September and even a small gathering of Arab children on a sidewalk was considered a security issue, it still is.

New European policing measures are not of a magnitude that can be compared with what is going on in the United States itself. So does that mean that the situation in Europe has been stabilized? Or that the potential of islamophobia is exhausted? We donít believe this is the case. The fact of the matter is that Europeans are very aware of why the U.S. have been targeted and not Brussels or Berlin, just like every body else is aware of these reasons. Europe does not feel the real urge to take similar measures as the Americans did, and will not risk destabilization by pushing a very young, dynamic and numerous Arab second-generation into a radical path. When in 1993 far-right extremists tried to start intimidating Arabs in the city of Antwerp, and burned a mosque and a tearoom the reaction was swift. Several cafÈs known to be far right minded were flattened and their headquarters in Antwerp a place called ìthe Lion of Flandersî was invaded by masked Arab youth and totally destroyed.

The Arab community in Europe is to be compared with the black minority in the US and not with the Arab community there. It is socially, politically and economically excluded, aware of the fact of discrimination and racism, feels exploited and used and has produced a futureless generation with nothing to lose. That generation also developed a sub-culture of rebellion and is ready to take its cause to the streets at any moment. In Paris, in Marseille, just like in Brussels and Rotterdam or London, Trying to oppress Arabs and Muslims will mean a street war that nobody wants.

We have succeeded in keeping our community relatively calm through the years, we are intending on continuing to canalize its legitimate grievances into political and civil action, but Europe must be willing to make our task easier, and till now we feel that they are aware of that.

 

 8. Conclusion

 

I am aware that this paper did not sketch a very positive image of the interaction between Arabs and Europeans, but it is my deep conviction that it has sketched a realistic image. If we ever want a solution to these problems we have to start by naming things by their names. Political correctness is not a valid reason to avoid the naked truth, no matter how difficult and hard to bare that truth might be. Europe can have better intentions than the United States, and can have a more balanced stance on the middle-east conflict but this all will not change the fact that it is oppressing and discriminating its Arab minority. The situation I sketched is not exclusively Belgian, in Denmark the situation is even worse, in Austria and in France similar situations are lived by our youth. The latest outbursts of racial violence against Moroccan immigrants in the south of Spain testify of similar patterns. In Italy the government is in the hand of the Islamophobic Berluscuni and his far-right allies. In Britain the streets of Birmingham and Oldham witnessed recently very violent racial riots between Muslim Asian youth and white far-right extremists. In Germany racial attacks are registered daily especially in the east of the country.

America might be bullying the world on the international level but it had certainly a better approach to its own race relation problems. The events of the eleventh of September changed that for the Arab community there and forced them into a civil rights battle that they were never willing to enter. Arab-Americans realized lately that they need the support of other minorities when they never really gave these minorities their support because their socio-economical position allowed them to enjoy a better standard of living than them. In Europe our community is among the poorest and the most oppressed, we have always been in the thick of a civil rights battle and the eleventh of September has nothing to do with it. Since 1991 we are stigmatized as terrorists and a fifth column and screened and infiltrated by all kind of security agencies. Our mosques are monitored and our offices are bugged.  The only difference is that Europeans know how to hide their Iron fist with a silky glove while Americans just wave it naked in the air. A question of more refinement one might argue.

But still, we believe in a solution and that is the respect of the international declaration of human rights and its application in a proactive and concrete way. We do not need our rights if we can not exercise them; the abstract form of a right has no value if it is not met with its practical fulfillment. Racism should no more be considered as an opinion but as a crime, and discrimination should be rooted out. The existing gap that is the result of years of discriminating policies on many levels should be closed by affirmative action policies, and this should not be mistaken for positive discrimination, it is just correcting what discrimination caused.

Culture should be considered a private matter just like religion is, law is the only set of rules and values that are binding to everybody in a modern society, and all the rest is a matter of individual choice. Multiculturalism should be the norm and all cultures should be treated equally and given the space to be promoted and preserved. Preserving ones culture is not limited to culinary art and music; it is also reaching every other aspect of life. Also all minority languages have the right to be taught and preserved regardless of whether they are an official language of the state or not. The existing of a lingua franca does not imply the disappearance of every other language.  Political representation should be guaranteed to all residents, one could not have all the obligations without having all the rights. The concept of a citizen should become colorless and cultureless. Not only justice should be blind but also the police and the administration and school directors and employers and landlords.

 

At the same time, and on another level, Europe should exorcise its demons and deal with Islam like it deals with any other religion. Islam will make forever a part of European culture and it has contributed enormously to the foundation of European civilization and it still can contribute. Europeans from Arab and Muslim descent can and should become a bridge for a better understanding between two of the greatest civilizations in history. Europe needs our help to dissociate itself from American hegemonic ambitions and to sail on its own course. And we need Europeís help to break the international isolation of our rightful cause in Palestine and to ease the suffering of the Iraqi people under the criminal and illegal embargo.

The academical community in Belgium is now reexamining the two articles that the Arab European League has published in May 2000, and that have caused a huge controversy. The University of Antwerp decided after taking our permission to publish them together with the other articles that came as a reaction to them in a special book in French and Dutch. What was politically incorrect less than two years ago is now becoming academical material, and even politicians are admitting that they have missed the point on certain issues. This gives us hope for the future and makes us continue to believe in dialogue. A dialogue that can not take the form of a dictate, and it can not be held while we keep on avoiding the facts whenever they are hard to assume. Only an honest and frank dialogue can lead to results.  Only the truth can and will save us.

www.arabeuropean.org

ouesh by Kamel Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 02:01 PM

je suis un "beur" de Paris et on peut pas dire que je sois victime d'injustice
j'ai un bon job, une belle maison et je pars en vacance 3 fois par ans!!!
les droits civiles, on les a déjà obtenu en France.

Pour Kamel by Fatima Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 02:39 PM

fatima_abbach@hotmail.com

Bonjour Kamel,

Moi aussi je vis bien alhamdoulilah mais ce n'est surement pas pour cela que je vais prendre mon cas pour une généralité et dire que la Belgique ou l'Europe accordent les droits civiles (comme tu dis si bien!)aux personnes d'origine étrangère! Par contre tu fais preuve de beaucoup d'égoïsme je trouves! Avoir ses droits en général, qu'il s'agit des civiles ou autres, n'a rien avoir avec partir plusieurs fois en vacances par ans! Et la France est loin d'etre l'exemple à ce niveau ci, nous savons tous tres bien ce qui s'y passe!!

Salaam ou'alaykoum,

ps: les raisonnements des frères "musulmans" sont de plus en plus décevant!

Fatima

ouaip by bouli Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 02:44 PM

Salut Kamel,
tu devrais finir ton commentaire comme tu l'as commencé cad par "JE les ai déjà obtenu.."

Pour en savoir plus sur les droits civils et politques by Janovitch Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 03:00 PM

lestrake@altern.org

Pour ceux qui veulent en savoir plus sur les droits civils et politiques, je les invite à consulter le Pacte des droits civils et politiques (ONU, 1966).

C'est consultable, en français, à l'adresse url suivante:

http://www.unhchr.ch/french/html/menu3/b/a_ccpr_fr.htm

Il s'agit de l'instrument juridique de référence sur ce point.

Pour rappel, quand un pays adopte et ratifie une législation internationale, celle-ci s'inscrit immédiatement dans la législation nationale, sans exception.

A+

Janovitch

I'm European so I am racist? by whatever Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 03:56 PM

Would it be a bad idea to rewrite (or simply copy) this text from another perspective, for example:

PROGRESSIVE ARABS IN ISLAMIC STATES AND THEIR STRUGGLE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not even asking for civilian/cultural rights for possible non-islamic minorities.

***Please do not censor this*** , I'm not offending anyone, I'm just trying to be a small part of this media, right.

Dear wahthever by Libby Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 04:37 PM

Have you ever checked out the ael website, it's arabeuropean.org. There you will find out that the ael is just as critical towards the lack of democracy in the Islamic world as it is towards the lack of democracy in what is the country of birth for most of its members.

They do not only denounce it by words either, i was present myself at a demo going from embacy to embacy, criticizing the attitude of the Arab/Muslim countries towards the Palestinians.

libby by whatever Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 05:53 PM

I checked their website, and didn't find anything critical towards the Islamic world.

I can understand this no issue for people who have been born here in Belgium. But it should be an issue for Mr. Jahjah, who has been living there most of his life. He's calling us Islamophobic, racist and xenophobic. Yeah right, aren't we all????

Don't you feel there's something missing in this picture?

After all, Mr. Jahjah could have added at least one good example of how the Islamic world is dealing with these kind of problems, and how we (racist) Europeans could learn something from their approach to foreigners in general.

***Please do not censor this*** , I'm not offending anyone, I'm just trying to be a small part of this media.

A parano, parano et demie by Bzzzzzzz... Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 06:16 PM

Oui, la photo dont tu parles est bien hébergée sur Indy, l'AEL et Indymedia Belgium, partagent donc un certain nombre de choses, comme des administrateurs...

about the AEL by Guido Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 06:28 PM

VISION and PHILOSOPHY

THE ARAB EUROPEAN LEAGUE (AEL) has as main reason of existence to promote and defend:

- The interests of the Arab immigrant communities in Europe.
- The interests of the Arab world.

Our main aim is to strengthen our community and our people, and to have a very positive interaction with others based upon mutual respect and tolerance.

For the Arab Immigrant Community we stand for:

· Empowering: only strong communities are treated as equal, therefore we must work towards eliminating the weak spots and creating all necessary structures and tools to reach a more dignified and powerful position as a community within the boundaries of the law.

· Responsibility: you do not receive equal rights, you take them. You do not improve when others are doing the work for you, it is our responsibility and our duty to organise ourselves in order to fulfil all the needs of our community. No one will understand our problems and know their solutions better than us.

· Identity: We believe in multicultural society as a place where several cultures coexist equally under the law. We do not want to assimilate and we do not want to be stuck somewhere in the middle. We want to keep our identity and our culture while being law obedient and worthy citizens of the countries where we live. In order to do that it is imperative for us to work on the education level and to conceive systems aiming at teaching our children the Arabic language and history and the Islamic faith. We will resist any attempt to strip us from this right to cultural and identical diversity, as we believe it is one of the most elementary human rights.

· Pride: We want our children to know who they are and to be proud of it. Being lost between identities only leads to dysfunctional perceptions and distorted communication, this leads to intolerance and to conflict situations. Self-esteem and a secure self-perception are crucial for tolerating others and an incentive to communicate and collaborate adequately

For the Arab world we stand for:

· Unity: encouraging economical and political integration in the Arab world within a socially aware framework. This should lead on the long term to the establishment of a federal Arab state on all Arab soil. That state is the ultimate goal of the national struggle of the Arab people. Arab unity is also the answer to the legitimate aspirations of ethnic minorities who can have their own self-governed entities within the Arab federation.

· Democracy: The rule of law and institutions in a pluralistic and open political regime, but also the respect of all human rights (especially the rights of linguistic and religious minorities). A democratic approach to economy and a just distribution of wealth are necessary elements for a comprehensive democratic regime. Arab Democracy is based upon the Islamic principle of Shoura, It draws its inspiration from a modern, dynamic and consensual understanding of Islam.

· Identity: Defending and promoting our Arab Identity, language and culture is a duty that we owe to God, to ourselves and to our children. Our Arab nation has been produced by Islam and it interacted with it through the centuries to construct the Arab-Islamic civilisation. All Arabs belong to that civilisation whether they are Muslims or not, and it is the duty of all Arabs to defend the two most important components of their Identity: Arabism and Islam.

Arabism and Islam are complementary, trying to present them as contradictory is a sickness that weakened our nation and served our enemies. That combined Arab-Islamic civilisation is own to our Arab-Christian brothers who do belong to it on the cultural and civilisation levels. It is also own to the Imazighen peoples who speak other languages next to Arabic but also belong to the Arab-Islamic civilisation and played an important role in its making. Therefore, we will struggle to restore the Arab identity as a unifying factor in the nation's life in order to boost the moral of our people and help it carry out its role in advancing the Arab and Islamic causes. At the same time it is imperative to emancipate linguistic minorities and respect their right to use their languages and preserve/promote their cultures. Both these processes (revival of Arab identity and emancipating minorities) should take place within the boundaries of tolerance and broadmindedness.

http://arabeuropean.org/aboutus.html

à Imbécile, imbécile et demi by protesta Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 09:04 PM

protesta@wol.be

le principe d'indymedia est que les gens peuvnt publier. et donc on garde leurs publications sur notre serveur... et donc cette image est sur notre serveur, tout comme ton commentaire..., c'est logique, non ?

foto LSP by guido Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 11:03 PM

Le LSP a aussi un foto sur leur website qui vient de indymedia.be.
On ne va pas dire que indymedia.be maintenant est de LSP? ;)

A propos de la Photo by B. A. Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 11:24 PM

Ni Protesta ni Guido n'ont compris le problème.

IL y a sur le site de L'AEL sur la page (http://www.arabeuropean.org/Documents/ArabsinEurope.html) une photo de Dyab Abou Jahjah (dyab.jpg) qui est hébergé sur le serveur d'Indymedia Belgium (http://images.indymedia.org/imc/belgium/dyab.jpg).

Il semble donc que ce sont les mêmes administrateurs qui s'occupent des sites Indymedia Belgium et de l'AEL, ou en tout cas que le site de l'AEL est très chaleureusement aidé par les administrateurs d'Indymedia.

A propos de la Photo: explication by Libby Wednesday December 04, 2002 at 11:40 PM

Ceux qui postent des photos sur indymedia le font sous Copyleft, sauf si le photographe l' indique autrement.

Le copyleft veut dire que ceux qui veulent les utiliser pour un but non-commercial peuvent le faire si ils mentionnent la source, çe que les gens de la LAE font toujours rigoureusement.

Conclusion, un media -activiste à fait une belle photo de Dyab Abou jahjah, la photo a plu aux gens de la LAE, alors ils l'ont mis sur leur site. N' importe quelle autre organisation peut faire la même chose avec des images qu'ils trouvent sur indymedia à propos des photos sur leurs propres actions à eux aussi.

«Ni Protesta ni Guido n'ont compris le problème. » by red kitten Thursday December 05, 2002 at 12:09 AM

redkitten@indymedia.be

C'est surtout B.A. qui ne comprend pas bien comment internet fonctionne.

Sur n'importe quel site, je peu inclure une photo venant d'un autre site [ ou même une page complète ]. La photo est toujours localisée sur le serveur d'origine, et je ne doit même pas demander aux administrateurs, la page que je crée "appelle" la photo.

Exemple:
L'illustration du 'feature' [article en première page]:
RACISM KILLS / Nov 26 2002 / Racistische moord in Antwerpen
n'est pas localisée sur le serveur de http://archive.indymedia.be, qui avait des problème à ce moment là, mais sur:

http://www.media-activism.be/imc/featpik_apen-moord.jpg

Et en effet, vu que le contenu de http://archive.indymedia.be est 'copyleft' et peut être réutilisé par des médias non-commerciaux, on peu retrouver des photos sur le site de l'AEL, du LSP ou des pages persos ...

Bien à vous toutes et tous.

PS: ces formulaires peuvent même servir à s'excuser, par exemple [mais ce n'est qu'un exemple] quand on fait des accusations graves et injustifiées.

=^_^=

de foto-affaire: alweer een provocatie by Dirk Adriaensens Thursday December 05, 2002 at 12:09 AM

sos.irak@skynet.be

Komaan, B.A., wat is er nu zo vreemd aan wat jij hier beweert, wat is er nu weer aan de hand? Zie je weer spoken? Het is toch godgeklaagd wat er allemaal aan insinuaties, leugens, en provocaties circuleren op deze site. Beste redactie, proficiat dat jullie zo lang je geduld kunnen bewaren. Ik raak het mijne zelfs kwijt.
Beste B.A., ik zal het je eens uitleggen. Ik weet iets af van websites, ben zelf (amateur) webmaster van http://www.irak.be en zal je hier eens uitleggen hoe de vork aan de steel zit.
Als je een foto ziet die je bevalt, kan je 2 dingen doen:
a) AEL kopieert de bewuste foto in hun document, en maakt een hyperlink naar de website van Indymedia. Als je dan in bewust document komt, wordt de foto automatisch geopend via een link naar de website van Indymedia.
b) AEL kopieert de foto in het document en slaat hem op in een eigen directory van AEL (de verstandigste methode, maar je hebt wel meer webspace nodig)

Kan je nog volgen? Waarschijnlijk wel, want je geeft de indruk toch vertrouwd te zijn met de materie van het internet.
Ik kan daaruit slechts één ding besluiten: als ik weet als amateurtje hoe de vork aan de steel zit, dan weet jij dat ook, en dan wil jij bewust verdeeldheid zaaien. Mensen, lees nog eens die 2 mails. Dit is volgens mij pure provocatie, pure flikken-praktijk.
Van mij zullen jullie steeds naam en e-mail adres krijgen. k heb niets te verbergen. Ik begin echt een hekel te krijgen aan die anonieme postings. In de meeste discussiegroepen kan dit niet. Ik stel voor dat Indymedia dezelfde praktijken zal hanteren in de toekomst. Anoniemen hebben iets te verbergen.
Groeten.

for whatever by Tony Busselen Thursday December 05, 2002 at 10:05 AM

busselen@skynet.be

The hypocrisy of the western crusade against obscurantisme and reactionary elements in Africa and Middel East has realy no limits.
These reactionary forces in Third world countries live by the grace of the imperialists. What would have been Ben Laden or the Saoudian regime, if the american had not chosen for a strategic alliance with them for an periode of 40 years? What would have been Mobutu, the Habyarimana-regime, Kagame, Unita and so on, without the support of the West?
But when it arranges the same imperialists and when they must mobilise their workers for a war or a military intervention, then the Bushes, Louis Michels, Tony Blairs become suddenly crusaders in the name of humanity against tribalisme in central Africa, fundamentalism in the arab world and so on.
So, please whatever: stop repeating the hypocrit talk that the western media shout at us day in day out.
When you realy want to confront the fundamentalism in the arab world, you'l better begin to expose the real forces that are supporting, stiumlating, organizing, arming these forces. And that is again: american and European imperialism.

Tony

foto LSP 2 by Guido Thursday December 05, 2002 at 12:10 PM

Si tu va au
http://archive.indymedia.be/front.php3?article_id=40234&group=webcast, tu trouves un foto,(article 3) de gens de LSP.

Le source du photo:
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/belgium/14slhihe.jpg

Si tu va apres au http://www.lsp-mas.be/lsp/index.html,
tu trouves la même fto.

Le source dit: http://www.lsp-mas.be/lsp/2002/alsleuven.jpg

et au dessus du photo, indymedia.

Je ne vois pas la probleme, c'est insinuer des fausse info...

graag ook in't vlaams by Marco Daems Tuesday December 10, 2002 at 12:57 AM

Ben zeer geïntereseerd in AEL en Jahjah (hoop dat jullie dat al gemerkt hebben), maar ken te weinig engels.
Kan Indymedia zorgen voor vertaling?