arch/ive/ief (2000 - 2005)

Neither careful conformity to laws, nor allegations of "free speech" from liberals and other leftists has helped those people commonly referred to as "pedophiles", or child lovers, to hold onto a sustained defence of their point of view, whether organizational, or even individual, on the Net. Instead, after lip service about a internet service provider's (ISP's) orientation to "all views allowed", such pros often must quickly submit to conformity, or be dragged through the gauntlet of media hype and the lies that prevail in a culture of the professionally opportunistic.

No matter the actual individual cases, or people like myself who lead lives of abstinence in order to try to educate others about the prevalence of outright lies; we're *ALL* "not to be trusted, no matter what." My question is, when we start to get sent en masse to concentration camps, will everyone be just like the Germans in WWII?

Look, the "Question Authority" left is really no different from the leftists of World War II Germany in their shameful monsterousness. In fact, if the Jews and Gypsies of yesteryear could have been able to use the Net, one can certainly wonder how similar the mindset of then would be to the mindset of today. Largely ill-informed, blindly trusting unaccountable "Authority", the "sober" and "educated" public, including leftists, would give no sympathy to the "powerful", "rich", and "always clever" Jews and Gypsies.

A spectacular achievement of hype control
Since around 1975 (in the USA), the public has been systematically hyped up with the kind of one-sided information that would fit quite well into the repetoire of Nazi/German institutional policy towards their contrived enemies. Like any war, foreign or domestic, the public has really only been allowed to hear one side of the truth, if even that. And, as Noam Chomsky points out so well, even if a challenger group does get on the major media, they are faced with the problem of *concision*--no *time* alloted to understand apparently VERY strange ideas, and definitely no assitance in that regard from the so-called "objective" media personality.

The public has been hyped up to hate and fear people who literally risk their lives to try to tell people that they love kids in fully genuine ways--that they are NOT "rapists" nor "abusers", etc.; yet the public, including leftists of all stripes, don't even seem to see what is going on, nor care. Leftists in communities like this just goose-step on the command of the therapeutic state and the hysterical media, and allow people who actually care about and love kids (with many cases of kids doing so in return) to be completely ignored, and relegated to the kind of situation that makes marginalized people just go crazy...no wonder some even turn to killing: When someone hates themselves so much and begins losing empathy for themselves--seeing themselves as a "monster", and when consensual sex is viewed as "worse than murder", some people will go over the deep end.

Isn't it about time this situation meaningfully changes? Increased totalitarian laws and bigoted attitudes only drive child lovers underground and away from the kind of community that can keep them holding onto sanity. The prevailing interests arrayed to block child lovers from interacting with kids consensually is not in the interests of a free people. Yet over and over again, the apparently "stupid masses" (like you) blindly trust whatever it is real power proclaims. Even though you are allegedly "critical" of such power! It's like you're playing some sort of really fucked-up game!

Woe be it for the next "enemy" in line--perhaps YOU or your kids will happen to be a member of the hardly understood group that is NEXT IN LINE?

I have three questions.

1) Do you think there should be ANY dividing line on how old a human being should be before someone attempts sexual contact with them and if so where should that line be drawn?

2) Children are often limited by inexperience in their ability to use language and understand 'contracts' - ie what their rights are and how they are allowed to defend them. How then can you find out whether or not a child consents to sexual contact?

3) Have you considered the possibility that the same flawed character structures that are behind the 'quiet compliance' of leftists are also responsible for your desire to have sexual contact with minors?

I suggest you read Wilhelm Reich's books 'the Mass Psychology of Fascism' and 'the Sexual Revolution' for a more detailed examination of these issues.

Rocks'n'Bones,
Strypey

Two Questions by Strypey 10:55pm Fri Jun 1 '01
I have three questions.
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I only had time to answer one right now. i'll get back to you on the others later.

You asked:
Have you considered the possibility that the same flawed character structures that are behind the 'quiet compliance' of leftists are also responsible for your desire to have sexual contact with minors?
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I don't understand where you assumed that I was judging anyone's "character structures". Did you come up with that from some kind of idea that the nazis (whom i originally compared today's bigots with) *must have had* a "flawed character structure"?!!? Actually, my study of naziism, and the dynamics of states and other ultimately unnacountable powers leads me to see that the situation isn't some strange flaw in "character structure" (sounds like an idea similar to naziism to me), but a pointed lack of empathy, probably originating in a lack of empathy towards the holder of such rigid (and fearful) views.

And, yes, i have considered the possibility that my desires could be problematic. In fact, i spent quite a few years trusting in the therapeutic state (a Szaszian term), including making *war* on myself. But that was before i completely stumbled onto other ways of looking at the world and my place in it; ways that my "kindly" psych pros, and everyone else in my life NEVER mentioned. Ways that were only demonized!

Incidentally, i've been able to note over years of self-education, that there are scads of hypocrisies on this topic, as well as every other topic that the Devoutly Normal TELL us all to follow, or face increasingly heavy consequences. And once you start looking at a lot of what is TOLD to us in the mainstream, you can sometimes see a pattern going on. There's a pattern in the way a broad spectrum of issues are programmed into the minds of the masses, and how they're taught to just hate and fear a constant *parade of enemies*.

Sure, this all sounds completely crazy to the "average" joe. Hell, how could anyone not be "crazy" in a society as crazy as most modern "civilized" ones today? (This is where i pull forth a quote by Aldous Huxley and Erich Fromm about being crazy in a crazy world; want to hear it?) "Luckily" as a leftist (?)/anarchist (?) you should be able to grasp the basic concept. And once you see this concept, it might even be possible to show you the value of being able to fully genuinely connect with all kinds of people, not just between races and same sex, and adult-adult generations, but also between much broader age differences.

Anyway, to sum up, i can see that realizing that fully genuine interactions with kids can be BEAUTIFULLY liberatings just as i can see realizing that there is really no such thing as "mental illness" and that such metaphorical language is really just another form of warfare being engaged upon populations taught to trust the dangerous mindsets/whims of their "leaders".
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I suggest you read Wilhelm Reich's books 'the Mass Psychology of Fascism' and 'the Sexual Revolution' for a more detailed examination of these issues.
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i've actually read "The Mass Psychology of Fascism"; i agreed with parts of it. Me, i'm much more influenced by Noam Chomsky (who i think makes a much more human case) and, where sex is concerned, a hardly known character who once edited a magazine called "Anarchy, A Journal of Desire Armed". Ever read that mag? Perhaps sometime i'll post some of the very interesting letters from that here.

peace and good vibes
Chuck D

1) Do you think there should be ANY dividing line on how old a human being should be before someone attempts
sexual contact with them and if so where should that line be drawn?
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Me:
Arbitrary methods of living and creating a sane society are authoritarian and not liberating, as those whom have
always spoken against such have understood; i seek to envision a society where people are meaningfully creating
something new, not just going thru topical motions like pigeon-holing people based on their "age". Defining or
attempting to encompass people by their age alone perpetuates topical human relationships and a society that
definitely isn't liberating.

In the USA, young people were once able to organize themselves (for 10 years!) and one of the main things they
challenged was what they called *adult chauvanism* and *ageism*.

A way that would be more liberating would be to follow in the ideas of John Holt (ESCAPE FROM CHILDHOOD: The
Needs and Rights of Children, 1974) or Paul Goodman (GROWING UP ABSURD). For example, John Holt
discussed the idea of letting kids coming and going from the walled "garden" of childhood when such interests
them. This makes sense if one is seeking to create a serious democracy where it is understood that *protection via
enrichment* in "adult" life makes for more prepared citizens.

Still, in my view "sexuality" should not be totally something one would have to leave "childhood" for. The approach of
at least a few Pacific Islanders (and Arabic peoples) made in this regard makes sense to me: Mothers sexually
stimulating their babies and toddlers in order to move them quicker to sleep and such things. Also, I've heard of
accounts from The Phillipines where kids are watched by a thoughtful neighborhood. The difference here is that the
society is not made hysterical and fearful of possibly excellent interactions of all syles, but actually encouraged to be
involved in helping young human beings get the best upbringing imaginable!

The point is, intimacy ("sex") can be a beautiful situation, and liberatory-oriented societies would recognize this.

This is all i have so far, sorry. i'll get back to you on the other ones, as soon as i can!
If you want to continue a discussion, please email me (tho my email may not be working on some days, try back; possible that hackers block my email when i post it on public forums; when the groups i know of get back online, i will be able to direct you to a discussion forum!)